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Neo and Trinity are 'Programs' as well - A new Matrix Theory - Julian - 11-09-2003
Hola!
Encontre esta teoria muy buena, solo que esta en ingles, ahi se las paso!
http://www.sulekha.com/weblogs/weblogdesc.asp?cid=1318
Yo tambien me quede con muchas preguntas :S
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Zion is a program, just like the Matrix. How is Neo able to figure out
that he is able to stop the sentinels in Zion near the end of the film?
The spoon given to him earlier. It had obviously been bent loads, but how outside the Matrix?? This gave Neo the inspiration and the understanding that Zion is still a matrix.
The One explained: "The One" is a program, but has to be "attached" to
someone in the Matrix. So Mr. Anderson got it in the 6th version of the
Matrix. Then "The One" program's purpose is to allow Zion to be destroyed then to rebuild it. The reason for this is because of anomalies - the 1% of humans that don't accept the Matrix. These are all brought out of the Matrix program and into the Zion program by the "Morpheus" program and other similar "ship captain" programs. Then once all the anomalies are out of the Matrix (and in Zion), that is the time for Zion to be destroyed, thus killing all the anomalies off.
The Matrix is then upgraded, thus creating the next version of the Matrix, but Zion must be rebuilt so that the next lot of anomalies can be brought out again so that they can be destroyed. This is the feedback-loop, and is the reason to retain a handful of people so that Zion can be rebuilt. So this is why Neo said the prophecy was a lie - the One's purpose was not to end the war as the prophecy stated.
Unfortunately, "The One" program must be re-used each
time, or copied, so it can be "attached" to a new anomaly inside the
Matrix. So what happens to the old "The One" program? It faces deletion,
and as the Oracle explained, it goes into exile instead, just like the
French bloke (the Merovingian) did. He was the first One (probably from
the second version of the Matrix), and once he fulfilled his duty, he
became an exile program and "abdicated" his "Oneness" by choosing
Persephone and power. This is evident in the bogs when Persephone asks Neo to kiss her. She says she wants him to kiss her so she can feel what it is like again to be kissed by something close to human, just like the Merovingian used to be. Then she says to Trinity that she envies her, but that these things are not meant to last. So the Merovingian used to be just like Neo - a One - thus proving further the feedback-loop explained earlier.
The correct door in the Architect's room
Now there are two possibilities here:
1. All the previous One's chose the right door allowing a "temporary
dissemination" of their code into the Matrix (i.e., the code they "carry"
thus indicating Neo is indeed human), then he must select (unplug) 23
people from the Matrix to rebuild Zion. This takes away the possibility
that stories from previous rebuilds of Zion will be carried through. But
Morpheus indicated in the first Matrix that this is the case anyway. He
said, "there was a man born inside, able to change things, it was he who
freed the first of us," - basically the One previous to Neo. And this
proves that the previous One chose the right door also. Neo's purpose is
also to choose the right door, but he does not because he faces deletion
afterwards and has the choice of going into exile - programs choosing to
go into exile is the one thing that can't be accounted for in program
parameters. Thus, he chooses the left door instead this time. How was Neo able to choose the other door? Because of his extreme willpower? - Even the Architect indicated that he'd noticed this - "Interesting. That was quicker than the others." Or more likely, because the Oracle upgraded his coding with the candy on the park bench. The candy/cookie was a method to change the One's program. She said he has made a believer out of her - this is quite human-like and perhaps the previous One's didn't accept the upgrade candy, now she has hope... hope that Neo will finally choose the other door.
2. All the previous One's chose the left door, saving Trinity and letting
Zion fall. So this time is no different. But the Architect does say, "You
are here because Zion is about to be destroyed. Its every living
inhabitant terminated, its entire existence eradicated," and also, "this
will be the sixth time we have destroyed it, and we have become
exceedingly efficient at it," - assuming the Architect isn't lying, then
they have already destroyed Zion (i.e., Zion has fallen) five times -
i.e., the result of going through the left door.
Morpheus and Trinity are programs.
Morpheus's purpose was to find the One and deliver him to the Architect.
Trinity's purpose is to control the One by getting in love with him.
Trinity is supposed to be the mother of the new One every time the Matrix is Reloaded. That's why the sex scene was so important and why she was named Trinity.
The Architect says, "she is going to die, and there is nothing that you
can do to stop it." He was correct though because she did die just like
Neo did in the first Matrix (Oracle said he or Morpheus would, and she
didn't lie, but he came back to life). Trinity dies, but comes back to
life (we are using medical definition of death in all this of course!).
The Architect has already laid down an ultimatum for Neo choosing the left door: The Architect -"Failure to comply with this process will result in a cataclysmic system crash killing everyone connected to the matrix, which coupled with the extermination of Zion will ultimately result in the
extinction of the entire human race."
Neo - "You won't let it happen, you can't. You need human beings to
survive."
The Architect - "There are levels of survival we are prepared to accept.
However, the relevant issue is whether or not you are ready to accept the responsibility for the death of every human being in this world."
Looking at this further, the Architect does say "coupled" with the
extermination of Zion will the human race be exterminated. So he says
everyone connected to the Matrix will die, but if Zion is not
exterminated, the human race will not necessarily die. Also, there is
likely to be a time-window between not going through the right door, and
the cataclysmic crash, thus allowing Neo to unplug as many as possible
from the Matrix, then those people won't die. This will be the start of
the next Zion. As for the Matrix, a cataclysmic crash doesn't mean the end of the Matrix - just needs rebooting or reloading!
Agent Smith explained: Agent Smith is the only "human" in this world.
He's the one spreading himself like a virus replicating himself over and
over until the Matrix will finally get overloaded and fail. Smith is the
one who wants to get out of the Matrix for good. He said so in the first
Matrix, "I must get out of here, I must get free! And in this mind, is
the key," squeezing Morpheus's temples, "my key! Once Zion is destroyed, there is no need for me to be here!" Smith knows that by killing Neo he can escape the Matrix because Neo is the key to resetting the Matrix, or to shut it off. It was originally killing Neo (in the first Matrix) that allowed Smith to become powerful (cloning ability) - so killing Neo again will allow him to gain Neo's powers completely, and thus gain the power to shut down the Matrix. So where the hell did Smith come from if he wants to destroy the Matrix? He's obviously not meant to be there - he's a computer virus as he has every characteristic of a virus - he multiplies and spreads and infects (and emulates) other programs like one. He is exactly as he described humans at the end of the first Matrix - "You move to an area and you multiply and multiply until every natural resource is consumed and the only way you can survive is to spread to another area.
There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus." But who put him there? This will only be revealed in Revolutions (Revelations?) I guess - but I'm betting on humans in the real real world, i.e., outside of Zion and the Matrix. They're at war with the machines and trying to destroy them by infecting them with this virus - Agent Smith. So the irony with this theory is that Agent Smith represents the human race!! Neo represents the machines! Agent Smith says to Neo just after he's seen the Oracle that he became free when Neo destroyed him in the first Matrix (remember when Neo entered his body and exploded him from inside out) - as a virus, Smith has the ability to "inherit" other programs' abilities and thus inherited some of Neo's.
The anomaly explained: The anomaly is all the humans that do not accept the Matrix. The Architect says "Your life is the sum of a remainder of an unbalanced equation inherent to the programming of the matrix. You are the eventuality of an anomaly, which despite my sincerest efforts I have been unable to eliminate from what is otherwise a harmony of mathematical precision. While it remains a burden to sedulously avoid it, it is not unexpected, and thus not beyond a measure of control." This includes Neo, but Neo's Matrix avatar is attached with the One program so that he can follow his purpose as explained earlier under "The One explained". However, he is also supposed to protect himself and destroy anything that gets in his way - i.e., Agent Smith - so that he may fulfil his purpose.
Further proving Neo - and other non-accepters of the Matrix - are the
anomaly, the Architect says, "Your life is the sum of a remainder of an
unbalanced equation inherent to the programming of the matrix." The clue here is Neo's program name - "The One". Take one-third for example. 1 over 3 is 0.33333 recurring. A computer cannot deal with recurring numbers, so must accept a limit, let's say 0.33333 for argument's sake. Multiply by 3, you get 0.99999 - never 1.00000, where has the "remainder" 0.00001 (One) gone? This is the limitation of computers, this is the mathematical imprecision inherent in programming (of the Matrix) and the eventuality of the One anomaly unable to be eliminated.
What is the equation then? Not sure, but it definitely involves pi. The
Keymaker refers to the window of time to open the door to the mainframe as 314 seconds. 3.14 is pi to three sig. figs., or the number of radians in half a circle. Half a circle is like the cross-section of a womb, similar to the alcove of Neo and Trinity's love scene - conceiving the next One? "NEO", incidently, is an anagram of "ONE". Trinity and Neo - one on one; a choice - one or one. Leads us to 101. "101" is mentioned numerous times in Matrix 1 and Reloaded. Neo's room at the beginning, Merovingian is on the 101st floor, the 101 freeway of the car chase in Reloaded, then when Trinity is hacking into the power plant system, she resets the password to Z10N0101. Freaky. Indicates that she is a program because that's not some random password she's put in. 101 is binary for 5, which in zero-based binary counting: 000 is 1, 001, is 2, 010 is 3, 011 is 4, 100 is 5, 101 is 6 - And this is the 6th version of the Matrix! Then there's 303. 303 is the room Neo got shot in Matrix 1, the Oracle lives in room 303, it's also the hotel room number Trinity is in in Matrix 1 and it's seen at the end when Neo fights the Agents and Smith and begins to literally see the code that makes up the Matrix. 101 x 3 = 303, a trilogy, 3 + 0 + 3 = 6 = the
6th Matrix. Trinity means 3.
Who is the "mother" that the Architect refers to? The Architect says,
"Please," in an almost disapproving sense when Neo suggests the Oracle,
but does not reveal who it really is or even directly that Neo is wrong.
The architect was the one who created the Matrix; the co-creator is
neither Persephone nor the Oracle. Both of them are only programs that
have a purpose in the matrix, just like the rest. The Architect is in
charge of the Matrix world and the co-creator is in charge of Zion. She
has almost the same age as the Architect. Therefore, that woman is the
Head Counsellor, the only woman of importance that lives in Zion and the
one who asked for the two captains to volunteer at the council meeting.
She's the one who knew all along about the Matrix. She was the one who
told Zion's Defence Minister to cool off and to let Morpheus do his work
so things could go as planned. Or alternatively, it could indeed be the
Oracle. She is the only program that truly wants humans to have a free
choice... at the same time, she sees the future, because she knows the
program code - she is like God - which is why Seraph protects her - see
"Who is Seraph?" below.
What's so special about Neo's avatar? Neo is a skilled hacker, and his
avatar in the Matrix is based on the person that founded the AI of the
original machines that eventually took over the world... How? Take a look
at the disc he gave to the bloke at the door at the beginning of Matrix 1.
It said "DISC AI" on it. The hollowed book Neo takes the disc out of is
"Simulacra and Simulation" - a collection of essays by the French
postmodernist philosopher Jean Baudrillard. He opens it to the section "on
Nihilism" (meaning nothing is truly known, etc.). "Baudrillard's concept
of simulation is the creation of the real through conceptual or
'mythological' models which have no connection or origin in reality. The
model becomes the determinant of our perception of reality--the real." And
Morpheus says, "Welcome to the desert of the real," in Matrix 1. I'd say
this book describes The Matrix to a tee. So this disc contains the key to
the AI, and thus how to destroy the machines, so I think they'll use this
info in Revolutions to ultimately destroy the machines, which means he'll
have to go back to the nightclub and find the guy he gave it to.
Who is Seraph? The reason Seraph (the *beep* guy Neo meets before meeting
the Oracle) had golden code and was so spectacular is that he came from
the first incarnation of the matrix, which was heaven. "Seraph" is
singular for the plural "seraphim". The seraphim are the highest choir of
angels and included amongst others: Lucifer, Gabriele, Raziel and
Malaciah, and they sit on the 8th level of Heaven just one below God. So
Seraph will obviously have a big part in Revolutions, but whose side will
he be on - the machines or the humans?? That is the question.
The Twins: They are exiled programs that emulate the human myth of ghosts
as the Oracle explained. They are programs behaving badly. Persephone
killed one of the Merovingian's bodyguards with a silver bullet because he
was emulating a werewolf. So if the Twins could phase into ghost form, why
didn't he when his arm was trapped in the door of the garage? Was it
because he was wounded or because he can't phase when his arm is trapped?
No of course not. The doors of that building, when shut, always led
somewhere else (usually in the mountains) when opened again without the
Keymaker's key. So if it were slammed shut due to the Twin phasing into
ghost form, the Twin's arm would've ended up god knows where, but
certainly not attached to the Twin's body.
- Yoshi - 11-09-2003
Mmhh.. buena teoria.. pero ahora me dejo más dudas que al principio...
Pero de acuerdo a esto, y a como lo maneja, las matematicas son la base de la vida y de todo lo que conocemos, cosa que sabemos desde hace muchos años.
Creo que la clave esta en como, quien y cuando se hizo la programacion de matrix al principio. Las respuestas yo creo se podrian asegurar si supieramos mas de lo que paso antes de matrix. Por ejemplo: recien salida matrix1, solo teniamos una idea vaga de como se habia ocultado el sol a las maquinas. En animatrix (el antes de matrix) nos brindan un antecedente de como paso eso y que efectos tuvo posteriormente..
En fin, me hice pelotas con el articulo, pero si me da respuestas a muchas otras cosas.
Como diria un tio mio: "todo es relativo..." :? :?
- el Fer - 11-09-2003
de hecho, yo también soy un programa.
- Lex - 11-10-2003
De hecho, si les interesa una copia de este articulo en español, junto con algunos otros muy interesantes de Matrix, vienen en la revista Popular Mechanics en Español de este mes... Esta rara la explicacion pero puede ser valida. :!:
De hecho en la revista viene el articulo mas soplado que he visto en mucho tiempo, en el que se explica el porque Matrix no podria realmente existir y hacen una referencia a la emulacion de una particula, metiendose en rollos cientificos como teorias de Plank y conocimientos subatomicos... Muy mariguano
hocked!:
- Yoshi - 11-10-2003
Si.. ya vi ese articulo donde explican que no se podria generar tanta energia de los seres humanos como sustenta matrix...
Bueno.. por supuesto que no se puede, asi como tampoco se han podido recrear dinosaurios del adn dentro de un mosquito atrapado en ambar...
La cosas es aceptar las reglas y leyes que plantea la pelicula para entender el mundo de Matrix!!.. TODA pelicula lo hace.
Me parece que esas son ganas de NO irse a divertir al cine, viendo una buena movie como Matrix... :wink: :wink: :wink:
- Lex - 11-10-2003
Concuerdo contigo, es como la gente que criticaba a Star Wars diciendo que como en el espacio no hay forma de que el sonido se propague, las batallas y disparos deberian de ser sin sonido... Ganas de amargarse la vida...
Mira que no escuchar las cargas sismicas le quitaria vida a Episodio II :wink:
- Yoshi - 11-10-2003
Lex escribió:....Mira que no escuchar las cargas sismicas le quitaria vida a Episodio II :wink:
Mira que la primera vez a mi se me fruncio el asterisco del mendigo estruendo que salio de la sala... peor tantito que era una thx
hock:
- Vicco - 11-10-2003
Más Nerd!!! Los programas no tienen una presencia física en el exterior, así que esta teoría no tiene ningún fundamento.
Concuerdo con la idea de que complicarse la existencia encontrándole defectos a las películas es absurdo (a menos que sean demasiado obvios) es como aquellos que criticaron a la primer Matrix de jalada, sin entender que supuestamente se encontraban en un mundo donde las reglas de la física podían alterarse a consciencia.
- ediaz - 11-10-2003
Respecto a eso de que los programas no tienen una presencia física en el exterior, ¿cómo entonces el Agente Smith entró en la conciencia de Bane?
En el contexto de Matrix es posible, según yo Neo era un programa, Trinity no...
- Vicco - 11-10-2003
ediaz escribió:Respecto a eso de que los programas no tienen una presencia física en el exterior, ¿cómo entonces el Agente Smith entró en la conciencia de Bane?
En el contexto de Matrix es posible, según yo Neo era un programa, Trinity no...
Smith abdujo otra presencia física, porque él mismo no tenía un equivalente en el exterior.
- ediaz - 11-10-2003
¿Y que les impediría a las máquinas hacer lo mismo?
- Vicco - 11-10-2003
ediaz escribió:¿Y que les impediría a las máquinas hacer lo mismo?
Las máquinas ya estan en el exterior, felices y contentas tratando de exterminar a los últimos rebeldes
. Para que los programas pudieran hacer lo mismo que Smith, tendrían que haber entrado en contacto con el portador del código del único (en este caso Neo) para haber adquirido una consciencia propia como Smith (entraron en contacto cuando Neo lo destruyó al final de Matrix).Todo esto, claro, son conjeturas mías...